true, but after the 7.0 migration almost all updates are messing things up here, even when running a very simple config. And i have no clue where to look.
Speed is not the issue, ( wifi 6 is nice though) but support is also not that fast any more here… if any.
i hoped they would bring out the new omnia this year, but also that takes ages.
Ah, I guess I am quite lucky and so far evaded all update bugs, but I run a pretty boring configuration…
I guess things did not go as planned with spinning off the turris division (not because the product plans were bad, it just happened at a challenging time) and we ended up in a some what half-baked state, were the announcements that were made assuming a spin-off, now meet a likely reduced work force… Not great, but really also not something that is IMHO turris’ fault.
Yes, see above…
all true, and i’m blaming no one. I really like the TO ( the mox is a problem child) and it was(is) the best ROI > Router.
But my config is also very spartan, and if things go south like after 7 migration, there is simply no support anymore besides "roll back’.
Also, when cz want’s to bring out a corp model, they need a total different kind of support. Now, with the current status, i really do not see that happening. At all.
Now, i’m not familiar with the Gi.inet brand, so that might also dry up after the average 2 years. ( i expect that, to be honest)
But then i move over to openwrt, since that was the main reason to pick this one after the hardware specs.
long story short, i do not expect the same ROI on this model 
Ok, got the MT6000 running, on stock FW. Boy, this one is fast.
Runs on a OpenWrt 21.02 fork, with a 5.34.238 kernel.
cpu temp 48
But hey, everything ip4/ipv6 works! AdGuard, openvpn, and wifi 6 for 140 €.
You even have custom roms i see Ok, lets see how long they support it , but this one is now replacing my TO.
M.2 SSD sounds way better than our esoteric mSATA!
“all updates are messing things up” / “very simple config” 
that´s really weird, but i have no reason not to believe you.
the most problems atm in TOS seem to stem from the migration from one firewall model to another (iptables → nftables).
i also run two MOX with different hardware upgrades and one omnia, and they work well for me and my rather simple config. i just guess we have a different definition of a “simple configuration”
yep,we might have…
And the simple config here is adblock & openvpn. That is (besides the sentinel/haas stuff) all that is non factory standard.
And i was very happy with the 2016 TO, until they went to 7.
Now this MT6000 is not heaven, and you should not fiddle to much inside luci if you run stock FW.
It can run plain openwrt, and for the €, it is a fine piece of hardware.
Basically the focus ( according to this nOOb) with TOS is on FW, security, and a zillion options with containers and such.
With the MT6000 model & stock FW it is mainly all about VPN, and adguard. It lacks IDS functions, for example.
So, my One has arrived, will put it into service as AP over the holidays… got a cheap nvme ssd to go with it (which will make collecting packetcaptures more convenient). Since this is not the right forum for further discussion I will stop further unsolicited posts and would recommend to continue in the openwrt forum, if there are further questions…
P.S.: I know, I know, I said everything else over in the OpenWrt forum, but I think this is a data point worth mentioning here, in the wireguard benchmark the OpenWrt One came in a few percentage points behind the turris omnia, showing once more IMHO what great choices team turris made when designing the omnia… This might be in the range of the MOX…
You still had options with your existing router:
Already done that when things got messed up going to 7.
Still have a MOX here running TOS.
Might change that one for the TO, since the Mox keeps being the problem child.
I was waiting for the next TO, but it never came.
And let’s face it, support ( info at turris ) here is basically gone.
Fine if you have a clue to go system deep and fiddle things out, less optimal
if you don’t.
So, i’m a happy camper now with one "other’machine, and one TOS machine.
Honestly, I don’t see how the support is lacking. There’s documentation and there’s a knowledgeable community. It’s basically the same situation with OpenWRT. Both operating systems are geared to the computer enthusiast level; you should at least have a basic understanding what’s going on or otherwise you’re bound to run into issues that you’re not able to fix yourself. I understand not being able or wanting to figure everything out and there’s different brands that cater to those kind of people. For power users that have no appetite for any of the deep tech challenges that open source products can offer and just want the features, I’d recommend Asus routers with Merlin firmware.
I see a lot of (undeserved) negative sentiment here and that may be due to the fact that the Turris Omnia product (and it’s organization) is no longer in it’s hey-day. That doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a bad thing. Technologically speaking we’re talking about an old and (at least for me) stable product. It’s almost 9 years old and still commercially backed and actively being worked on. In the wireless all in one router industry this is pretty unheard of. I upgraded my unit with wifi 6 cards last year instead of having to buy an entirely new unit and landfilling the old one.
Well, my advice would be instead of doing the whole hardware (indy) release thing again ( and i really do not think it will happen) , why not have the TOS move over to other hardware.
Since TOS itself might be the interesting part, the hardware itself if limited to one, of 2 models can be external?
this mt6000 board has very fine specs.
So, have the whole TOS & sentinel part move over
New HW is promised to come soon (two: Enterprise and NG). I think that latest news was on
well, do not want to spoil the launchparty, but don’t you think you need a solid sales/after sales/support team behind a corporate machine?
I’m afraid that with the pricing of the current Turris Omnia you don’t get 10 years of commercial-level support. That’s necessarily a completely different price level 
true true, and as i wrote before, the TO was the best as in ROI router i had and have.
But for corporate machines you need a diff level of business. The NG can maybe survive with ‘forum/user’ support.
and for the sentinel data, i assume that has some value for ext party’s. So, therefore, my idea was to go on with the openwrt fork, but leave the ‘consumer’ HW to ext party’s?
Someone has to make some sort of money to have or keep a business alive
At first you say you’re moving to OpenWRT One because of perceived instability of Turris OS and now you’re saying the Turris team should focus on porting Turris OS to other platforms. This makes no sense whatsoever.
We do not have to agree, and your miles may vary.
If you are a happy camper, fine. Enjoy the machine.
I , by now, have a different opinion on the current state of this OS, and the way it is managed.
I do understand that talking about the competition here is not very gentle, i agree.
But just got myself a openwrt forum account, and what you have here, you see there x10.
I’m not defending one brand over another, i have zero financial interest in any machine or brand.
But i do not close my eyes if something is going south.
I would like to have a downloadable x86-64 TOS.
I don’t know if it is a good business model…
But a x86-64 version would be handy…
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